Nightly builds

tiredofit

@klipp
Thanks for update. It is disappointing news for sure, I would like to hear from Kopano in this forum. Ever since the Grommunio incident in early 2021 there has been lots of confusion and uncertainty. I have my thoughts on what’s really going on but they are just thoughts and I’d just add to the rumor mill if I shared them.

So I will join the sentiment that this project is dead and I would be surprised if it is revived. What a way to go out.

irrlicht

These are bad news, irgendwas ist halt immer.

ichi123

@klipp said in Nightly builds:

@tiredofit
got a new answer from kopano
they stopped developing on community version because to many users switch vom payed version to community version.
so commuinty version will be dead soon

Is there any official announcement about this?
Or is this the new kind of transperency they promised ?

Sinux

@ichi123
ab Minute 1:38 oder so ähnlich mal reinhören.
https://gnulinux.ch/gln025-podcast
Aber meiner Meinung nach wurde schon lange nicht mehr ehrlich Seitens Kopano kommuniziert.
Und hier Thomas von bytmine truxt auch nur rum. Keine klaren Aussagen!
Das betrifft nicht nur die Community sondern auch die Verkaufsversionen, wo man gerade mit Ach und Krach auf die schon längst aktuelle Debian Versionen aktualisiert hat.

klipp

@ichi123
I wrote to kopano commercial support and they answerd to me

Sinux

@klipp said in Nightly builds:

I wrote to kopano commercial support and they answerd to me

and? Please share the Information, thanks

klipp

@sinux
as mentioned above
they stopped developing the community version because too many users switch from payed subscriptions to nightly builds.

many of these users tired to get support without a subscription in community forum from kopano employees and so kopano stopped community support for all

the last sentence of this mail
it has not been decided when and if there will be new releases for community and up to date nightly builds

Sinux

@klipp thanks klipp well then Kopano has to pay its software testers and quality management again

klipp

@sinux
tried to send a private message to you but your policy does not allow it

Sinux

@klipp thx, wait

Sinux

@klipp and now?

deajan

What a pity. I’ve used this groupware since the Zarafa 6.x days…

There’s no real hobbyist offer either. I myself have a mail server with 6 accounts for my family. Their solution starts at 150€/year for 10 users… And I won’t definitly pay for my private mail system.

Of course Kopano can do whatever they want with their software, they should just make an official statement about it then. It’s been
What they can’t do is stopping redistribute the source, because their license stipulates AGPLv3… But since the git repositories haven’t been updated since november 2021, I guess they stopped doing so.

Whatever, Kopano has burnt me already once, when stopping their Zarafa Home Edition.
Again, it’s their software and business, so they don’t need to consider users like me which don’t bring money at the end of the day.

Time has come for me to seek an alternative.
There are AFAIK a few 100% outlook compatible groupwares:

Sogo (with EAS support), totally free, existing since 10+ years
Grommunio, a kopano/zarafa fork, free up to 5 users, reasonably priced for more, with I guess a nice admin panel, exists since 1,5years or so

The Grommunio reverse migration path frightens me a bit (no export to PST) as seen on their internet site.

I dont’ have any experience with those Groupwares yet, as I always sticked to Zarafa/Kopano.

Can anyone comment on those ?

RIP Kopano. I will remember you for what you once were.

Sinux

@deajan
Doesn’t the mobile connection to sogo cost something?
Kopano can also only import pst no export!
I myself will wait until the middle of next year to see how Kopano develops.

deajan

@sinux said in Nightly builds:

Doesn’t the mobile connection to sogo cost something?

AFAIK it’s always been totally free. Although recently there’s a commercial build by french company Alinto.

Kopano can also only import pst no export!

Yes, and it’s usually a bad point when no real export tool exists (eml files isn’t just a good method). At least Kopano ship Gilles Lamiral’s ImapSync which allows to workaround missing export functionality, even if it’s a more a mess than it should be.

I myself will wait until the middle of next year to see how Kopano develops.

So do I, but it’s good to know which solutions exist beforehand.

Sinux

@deajan said in Nightly builds:

Yes, and it’s usually a bad point when no real export tool exists (eml files isn’t just a good method). At least Kopano ship Gilles Lamiral’s ImapSync which allows to workaround missing export functionality, even if it’s a more a mess than it should be.

my Tip or connect Outlook and copy the PST away ;)

So do I, but it’s good to know which solutions exist beforehand.

I know, when Grommunio

thx

Ihon

As I did not found a new community build and reading throug this thread doesn’t increase my good feeling with my Kopano installation, I thing @deajan and @Sinux are right.
We need to think about a migration path to another solution.
I am currently looking at OpenXchange (OX App Suite) as alternative or extend my NextCloud to fullfil the groupware job (with missing of ActiveSync which is really a pain for me).
Does anyone of you have a history with both options?

Thank you

Ihon

irrlicht

I am currently looking at OpenXchange (OX App Suite) as alternative or extend my NextCloud to fullfil the groupware job (with missing of ActiveSync which is really a pain for me).
Does anyone of you have a history with both options?

ActiveSync is not nessesary for us, CalDAV and imap are working great. OX ist written in Java and Java sucks :) and the “webmailer” from nextcloud is lousy.
I will try to patch the 5 user licence from gromox/grommunio - it should be open source.