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    Kopano - Roadmap 2021

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    • Sinux
      Sinux @Gerald last edited by Sinux

      @gerald +1

      ich habe mir auch den Stand auf github und die Entwickler mal angesehen wohin sie denn alle abgewandert sind und das geschah alles mitte 2021. Es wird bis heute nicht ehrlich kommuniziert und das ist ein NoGo!

      einzige “Alternative” wäre
      https://community.grommunio.com/

      und nein kein englisch Felix ich schreibe mal deutsch;)

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      • mcostan
        mcostan @drauer last edited by

        @drauer I was wondering when the roadmap for 2022 will be released.

        I have been with Zarafa / Kopano for years and years…

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        • drauer
          drauer Kopano @Gerald last edited by

          Hi.

          Sorry for my late reply, I somehow did not receive notifications:

          Thank you for your openness… But where is the development happening? According to the git repo the kopano-core project is quite dead except for very basic bug fixes, which I would not call “development” but at best “maintenance”.

          Development happens on https://stash.kopano.io, e.g. https://stash.kopano.io/projects/KW/repos/kopano-webapp/commits for the WebApp.

          I’ll never understand how management could have been so incredibly stupid to abandon the commercial native Outlook client in search of some vague “100% fully open source” future with unclear monetization opportunities.

          I have to ask you to keep polite. Nobody abandonded native Outlook support out of fun or stupidity.

          I for one have had to mostly migrate to Hosted Exchange by Microsoft (part of the Office 365 / Microsoft 365 offerings) and don’t see any way those paying customers will ever come back to Kopano.

          Yes, for some customers Office 365 is the better option. Some later regret their choice, some are very happy with it. Thats life, products and needs and conditions keep changing.

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          • drauer
            drauer Kopano @Sinux last edited by

            @sinux said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

            und nein kein englisch Felix ich schreibe mal deutsch;)

            And I will keep posting in english.

            ich habe mir auch den Stand auf github und die Entwickler mal angesehen wohin sie denn alle abgewandert sind und das geschah alles mitte 2021. Es wird bis heute nicht ehrlich kommuniziert und das ist ein NoGo!

            You mix and mangle “openness” and “honesty” completely: We were always honest in our communication, but (of course!) we did not talk about internal personnel matters in the public. Yes, some people left the company, thats what we told, nothing new. Others joined. Everything else is not of your business.

            einzige “Alternative” wäre
            https://community.grommunio.com/

            If you would look at them as critical as you are looking at Kopano I doubt you still would call it an alternative…

            Btw: My offer to have a call together still exists.

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            • drauer
              drauer Kopano @mcostan last edited by

              @mcostan said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

              @drauer I was wondering when the roadmap for 2022 will be released.

              I have been with Zarafa / Kopano for years and years…

              We cannot tell at the moment, sorry.

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              • drauer
                drauer Kopano @Gerald last edited by

                @gerald said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                An open source future which then of course never materialized (a working and maintained Kopano is not part of any linux distribution, and even the commercial UCS Server port seems unmaintained).

                It does not make sense for Kopano to be part of any distribution.

                And Kopano4UCS is meanwhile available in the test App Center and currently being tested by several parties.

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                • Sinux
                  Sinux @drauer last edited by

                  Btw: My offer to have a call together still exists.

                  Ich warte seit über 3 Wochen auf einen Rückruf nur so nebenbei…

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                  • drauer
                    drauer Kopano @Sinux last edited by

                    @sinux

                    Ich warte seit über 3 Wochen auf einen Rückruf nur so nebenbei…

                    Ich finde keine Mail die ich dir irgendwie zuordnen könnte … Kannst du bitte nochmal eine schicken mit Infos wann und wo ich dich erreichen kann?

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                    • Gerald
                      Gerald @drauer last edited by Gerald

                      It does not make sense for Kopano to be part of any distribution.

                      As usual, this is something where i fully agree with you. The problem is that this was official policy at Kopano for the last years!

                      See examples here or here. Also in the forum, whenever it was mentioned that for a fully open source program (which Kopano aspired to be) it is a bit weird that there are only untested nighlies available for the users - the “solution” mentioned was that you are supposed to use the version from the distro and work was underway to integrate Kopano into distributions.

                      Of course this never made any sense! Which is why it is so sad that the person who made all these mismanagement decision seems to be still onboard? What will be next? My guess is: “Kopano announces version 11, the first open source Groupware with NFT integration!”

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                      • mcostan
                        mcostan @drauer last edited by

                        @drauer ok I understand, but it will definitely happen in the course of this year is that correct?

                        As I said, I do think Kopano is a great product.

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                        • thctlo
                          thctlo @Gerald last edited by

                          @gerald said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                          uess is: “Kopano announces version 11, the first open source Groupware with NFT integration!”

                          Where are these sources, then i’ll start building them now… :-))

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                          • thctlo
                            thctlo @drauer last edited by

                            @drauer said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                            @gerald said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                            An open source future which then of course never materialized (a working and maintained Kopano is not part of any linux distribution, and even the commercial UCS Server port seems unmaintained).

                            It does not make sense for Kopano to be part of any distribution.

                            Sure it does make sence that its part of Debian. ;-)

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                            • aubergine
                              aubergine last edited by aubergine

                              @drauer Is Z-Push under active development? I’m not asking about features, more about maintenance activities like fixing bugs and reacting to security related topics.

                              I’m wondering because 1 year without a release is quit a long time for a PHP application.

                              The public available sources of information seem to be outdated. Version 2.6.4 isn’t announced there. See https://kb.kopano.io/display/ZP/Roadmap or https://z-push.org/category/news/

                              Thanks.

                              Regards
                              Dom

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                              • bob4os
                                bob4os @aubergine last edited by

                                @aubergine Currently there is no activity on Z-Push, I’m waiting for my pull requests to be merged.

                                Meanwhile I forked out on GitHub (ttps://github.com/bob4os/Z-Push/).
                                If you have any issue, let me know…

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                                • aubergine
                                  aubergine @bob4os last edited by

                                  @bob4os

                                  There is hope, see https://github.com/Z-Hub/Z-Push/tree/feature/ZP-1648-php-8.1-support
                                  Maybe you should merge efforts?

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