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    • thctlo
      thctlo @drauer last edited by

      @drauer

      https://github.com/steep-system/STEEP_SYSTEM
      has Native outlook support and used kopano and samba components

      Only you see he stopped with development because he didnt include/obey the Samba licences.

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      • kermit13
        kermit13 @thctlo last edited by

        @drauer
        Hi Daniel,
        thanks for the fast answer … I do not talk about z-push, this is working pretty fine for the mobile devices.

        I really mean native access for Outlook, unfortunately 99% are working with Outlook only and the connection via
        Activesync is more or less a nightmare regarding the calendar and resource booking.
        We are coming from Zarafa and with the old mapi driver everything was fine but we know that the mapi driver is
        not working with Outlook 2016 / 2019.
        I understand that you can´t say me a date when we can expect outlook support, but a roadmap if we could expect
        it this year or latest next year would be fine.

        Best Reagards
        Frank

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        • drauer
          drauer Kopano @thctlo last edited by

          @thctlo said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

          https://github.com/steep-system/STEEP_SYSTEM
          has Native outlook support and used kopano and samba components

          I know, thats why I wrote “one of the only vendors”.

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          • drauer
            drauer Kopano @kermit13 last edited by

            @kermit13 said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

            We are coming from Zarafa and with the old mapi driver everything was fine but we know that the mapi driver is
            not working with Outlook 2016 / 2019.

            It was also a dead end, you probably remember the times when Microsoft changed “something” every few weeks, which had to be reverse engineered, implemented in the zarafaclient, tested, shipped and rolled out at the customers, meaning collaboration was broken every few weeks for several weeks.

            I understand that you can´t say me a date when we can expect outlook support, but a roadmap if we could expect
            it this year or latest next year would be fine.

            You can expect “something” to happen surely this year.

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            • Gerald
              Gerald @drauer last edited by

              @drauer said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

              To your questions I can talk about:

              • Kopano Core and WebApp development has not stopped 6 months ago, but nobody took care of the release page. Simple as that. We added the missing entries today

              Thank you for your openness… But where is the development happening? According to the git repo the kopano-core project is quite dead except for very basic bug fixes, which I would not call “development” but at best “maintenance”.

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              I would love for the days of Zarafa to come back when there was actually a reason to pay for the product. I’ll never understand how management could have been so incredibly stupid to abandon the commercial native Outlook client in search of some vague “100% fully open source” future with unclear monetization opportunities. An open source future which then of course never materialized (a working and maintained Kopano is not part of any linux distribution, and even the commercial UCS Server port seems unmaintained). Perhaps the ship can still be turned around, but I fear its stuck in the Suez canal and too late. I for one have had to mostly migrate to Hosted Exchange by Microsoft (part of the Office 365 / Microsoft 365 offerings) and don’t see any way those paying customers will ever come back to Kopano.

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              • Sinux
                Sinux @Gerald last edited by Sinux

                @gerald +1

                ich habe mir auch den Stand auf github und die Entwickler mal angesehen wohin sie denn alle abgewandert sind und das geschah alles mitte 2021. Es wird bis heute nicht ehrlich kommuniziert und das ist ein NoGo!

                einzige “Alternative” wäre
                https://community.grommunio.com/

                und nein kein englisch Felix ich schreibe mal deutsch;)

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                • mcostan
                  mcostan @drauer last edited by

                  @drauer I was wondering when the roadmap for 2022 will be released.

                  I have been with Zarafa / Kopano for years and years…

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                  • drauer
                    drauer Kopano @Gerald last edited by

                    Hi.

                    Sorry for my late reply, I somehow did not receive notifications:

                    Thank you for your openness… But where is the development happening? According to the git repo the kopano-core project is quite dead except for very basic bug fixes, which I would not call “development” but at best “maintenance”.

                    Development happens on https://stash.kopano.io, e.g. https://stash.kopano.io/projects/KW/repos/kopano-webapp/commits for the WebApp.

                    I’ll never understand how management could have been so incredibly stupid to abandon the commercial native Outlook client in search of some vague “100% fully open source” future with unclear monetization opportunities.

                    I have to ask you to keep polite. Nobody abandonded native Outlook support out of fun or stupidity.

                    I for one have had to mostly migrate to Hosted Exchange by Microsoft (part of the Office 365 / Microsoft 365 offerings) and don’t see any way those paying customers will ever come back to Kopano.

                    Yes, for some customers Office 365 is the better option. Some later regret their choice, some are very happy with it. Thats life, products and needs and conditions keep changing.

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                    • drauer
                      drauer Kopano @Sinux last edited by

                      @sinux said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                      und nein kein englisch Felix ich schreibe mal deutsch;)

                      And I will keep posting in english.

                      ich habe mir auch den Stand auf github und die Entwickler mal angesehen wohin sie denn alle abgewandert sind und das geschah alles mitte 2021. Es wird bis heute nicht ehrlich kommuniziert und das ist ein NoGo!

                      You mix and mangle “openness” and “honesty” completely: We were always honest in our communication, but (of course!) we did not talk about internal personnel matters in the public. Yes, some people left the company, thats what we told, nothing new. Others joined. Everything else is not of your business.

                      einzige “Alternative” wäre
                      https://community.grommunio.com/

                      If you would look at them as critical as you are looking at Kopano I doubt you still would call it an alternative…

                      Btw: My offer to have a call together still exists.

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                      • drauer
                        drauer Kopano @mcostan last edited by

                        @mcostan said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                        @drauer I was wondering when the roadmap for 2022 will be released.

                        I have been with Zarafa / Kopano for years and years…

                        We cannot tell at the moment, sorry.

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                        • drauer
                          drauer Kopano @Gerald last edited by

                          @gerald said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                          An open source future which then of course never materialized (a working and maintained Kopano is not part of any linux distribution, and even the commercial UCS Server port seems unmaintained).

                          It does not make sense for Kopano to be part of any distribution.

                          And Kopano4UCS is meanwhile available in the test App Center and currently being tested by several parties.

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                          • Sinux
                            Sinux @drauer last edited by

                            Btw: My offer to have a call together still exists.

                            Ich warte seit über 3 Wochen auf einen Rückruf nur so nebenbei…

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                            • drauer
                              drauer Kopano @Sinux last edited by

                              @sinux

                              Ich warte seit über 3 Wochen auf einen Rückruf nur so nebenbei…

                              Ich finde keine Mail die ich dir irgendwie zuordnen könnte … Kannst du bitte nochmal eine schicken mit Infos wann und wo ich dich erreichen kann?

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                              • Gerald
                                Gerald @drauer last edited by Gerald

                                It does not make sense for Kopano to be part of any distribution.

                                As usual, this is something where i fully agree with you. The problem is that this was official policy at Kopano for the last years!

                                See examples here or here. Also in the forum, whenever it was mentioned that for a fully open source program (which Kopano aspired to be) it is a bit weird that there are only untested nighlies available for the users - the “solution” mentioned was that you are supposed to use the version from the distro and work was underway to integrate Kopano into distributions.

                                Of course this never made any sense! Which is why it is so sad that the person who made all these mismanagement decision seems to be still onboard? What will be next? My guess is: “Kopano announces version 11, the first open source Groupware with NFT integration!”

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                                • mcostan
                                  mcostan @drauer last edited by

                                  @drauer ok I understand, but it will definitely happen in the course of this year is that correct?

                                  As I said, I do think Kopano is a great product.

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                                  • thctlo
                                    thctlo @Gerald last edited by

                                    @gerald said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                                    uess is: “Kopano announces version 11, the first open source Groupware with NFT integration!”

                                    Where are these sources, then i’ll start building them now… :-))

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                                    • thctlo
                                      thctlo @drauer last edited by

                                      @drauer said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                                      @gerald said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:

                                      An open source future which then of course never materialized (a working and maintained Kopano is not part of any linux distribution, and even the commercial UCS Server port seems unmaintained).

                                      It does not make sense for Kopano to be part of any distribution.

                                      Sure it does make sence that its part of Debian. ;-)

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                                      • aubergine
                                        aubergine last edited by aubergine

                                        @drauer Is Z-Push under active development? I’m not asking about features, more about maintenance activities like fixing bugs and reacting to security related topics.

                                        I’m wondering because 1 year without a release is quit a long time for a PHP application.

                                        The public available sources of information seem to be outdated. Version 2.6.4 isn’t announced there. See https://kb.kopano.io/display/ZP/Roadmap or https://z-push.org/category/news/

                                        Thanks.

                                        Regards
                                        Dom

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                                        • bob4os
                                          bob4os @aubergine last edited by

                                          @aubergine Currently there is no activity on Z-Push, I’m waiting for my pull requests to be merged.

                                          Meanwhile I forked out on GitHub (ttps://github.com/bob4os/Z-Push/).
                                          If you have any issue, let me know…

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                                          • aubergine
                                            aubergine @bob4os last edited by

                                            @bob4os

                                            There is hope, see https://github.com/Z-Hub/Z-Push/tree/feature/ZP-1648-php-8.1-support
                                            Maybe you should merge efforts?

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