Kopano - Roadmap 2021
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@mathias-rumbold
I’ll join you, the community version stand on 9/30/2021. The official homepage looks deserted (Blog, Releases). No more available version in UCS 5. The loss of the original z-push domain. The dispute with Grammm. It seems to me as if Kopano is about to end or at least withholding something.
Felix, honestly what’s going on, unfortunately you didn’t tell Chris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGrl9Wrtz2El anything about the future. -
Strangely asked here and already a nice post on the homepage
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I too am concerned about the future of this project, for the commercial supported packages, they’ve now been stuck on v8.7.x with only very minor updates for close to three years.
And in the Z-Push land as far as I can tell, work still has not even started on ActiveSync v16 support, a protocol version Microsoft has announced in 2015. (There is an old Z-Push bug about this with no activity here).
But thank you Sinux for the link, now that I’ve read that Kopano has entered “a new chapter in […] sales and marketing” I feel very relieved and my doubts about the future of this project have been eliminated.
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@Sinux @Gerald
I had a call last week with Kopano/Bytemine. It was a really nice and promising call.The infos I got is that Kopano One is going to be cancelled due to focus on Kopano Core.
Kopano Core will be developed further with focus on a better public communication, a roadmap will also follow up in 2022. They are working on getting Kopano back on track. I also asked for a more community driven solution like other big open source tools already have with Github to increase the development and adding more features further like password reset and webapp which is not responsive (at the moment a showstopper for some customers on my end), hopefully they also find a solution for offline sync on desktops since the outlook z-push implementation is a pain and not having the option for offline cache like outlook that is another pain.
I also heard that there is a FreeIPA integration, no idea how clear that is since I only trust it when I see it somewhere but since FreeIPA is a big player with Redhat IDM as paid solution that would be awesome.
From my side, I can finally sleep better and be more active in offering Kopano to my customers :)
Yours,
Mathias -
Is anyone aware of what this means for the Kopano4UCS integration? For some time it’s been the most fuss free way of getting a Kopano system in place. I have a number of Kopano4UCS installations that I’ve implemented & maintained. The question has been asked but not answered on Univention Help.
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@tose said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:
Is anyone aware of what this means for the Kopano4UCS integration? For some time it’s been the most fuss free way of getting a Kopano system in place. I have a number of Kopano4UCS installations that I’ve implemented & maintained. The question has been asked but not answered on Univention Help.
@tose I think that this won’t really change. Kopano is working on their communication also with their partners and to the community. Till this is fully established you have to wait. I think univention will make an announcement earlier or later when changes about licensing will happen.
I think the most important info is that something is clearly happening.
Yours,
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@mathias-rumbold you mean 2022 ;)
Are you not surprised that Felix looks in here every day but does not write anything?
It doesn’t look any better on Github.
I hope I’m wrong about.:(
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@sinux said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:
@mathias-rumbold you mean 2022 ;)
Are you not surprised that Felix looks in here every day but does not write anything?
It doesn’t look any better on Github.
I hope I’m wrong about.:(
No, I am not surprised. First of all I mostly communicated with Kopano over phone or email via their support portal. I just see the forum as a community based option to talk.
“Rom was not built on one day” - This is the same here. Changes need time, if you run a company or if you need to dig into the systems like bytesource have to it will take some time for reorganization.
The emails are answered frequently and without big delays so I see a positive change here.
I also told Bytesource that we need more activity in the community again, like a summit or codecamp (was before I used kopano).
Meetups to talk about it.
If you are worried just make a call :)
Yours,
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Thank you,
I just hope that it goes on there quickly, when I look at grommunio, they have built an admin interface in less than 2 years in are also otherwise fast.
Kopano / Zarafa had with yaffas also a very good solution but unfortunately discontinued. If you want to be an alternative to exchange I absolutely have to do something in this direction!
This was missed. Maybe the new “owners” can fork grommunio ;) then the quit would be ;)
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yes, I hope so too. I just hope that Kopano is actively collecting feedback. I don’t need an admin interface if there is an option to reset passwords directly from the webinterface, that is more important for me and all my customers.^^
But I agree, sometimes webinterface can be easier to manage it.
I am not sure but I think KopanoOne was the idea of it. I am not really sure if there is a closer connect between Kopano and Grommunio but I hope to see a lot more features like changing password or PWA of webmail in the near future.
yours,
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PWA would be very welcome indeed.
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i know there is one alternative like kopano on github : STEEP_SYSTEM
only development stopped on github after samba found code was used but it didnt obey the samba licenceing.I still, a beep/signal from devs where we are, would be nice.
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I am running a Kopano installation for personal uses, and I have always been very happy with it.
I am guilty of not looking at it for a while, and particularly at the forums.
I am a bit concerned too… reading what’s happening.
I do think Kopano is a great product and to be honest, I couldn’t stay without!
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@mathias-rumbold I really really hope this is the case.
I have been off the forums for a while due to personal reasons and essentially my installation was frozen in the mean time.
But I have been using zarafa/Kopano for years and years and I really hope it continues.
I looked at the grammm offering but is it really open source like kopano is? It doesn’t appear to be the case to me…
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@mcostan
For me, it would be nice if Kopano would fork grommunio, as I have already mentioned here several times;)
According to the motto, tit for tat
but Kopano has completely different problems right now, which instead of communicating honestly are simply not being addressed.in german
für mich wäre es, wie hier schon öfters von mir angesprochen, schön wenn Kopano grommunio forken würde;)
Nach dem Motto, wie du mir so ich dir
aber Kopano hat gerade ganz andere Probleme die aber anstatt ehrlich zu kommunizieren einfach nicht angesprochen werden. -
Hello everyone.
My name is Daniel Rauer, I am working at bytemine GmbH, and for around two months now we are helping Kopano at administration and communication. More about this on the mentioned blog post https://kopano.com/blog/bytemine/
@sinux said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:
but Kopano has completely different problems right now, which instead of communicating honestly are simply not being addressed.
If you have the impression that Kopano is not communicating honestly I would be very interested in finding out where you got this impression. I am very open for talking directly to you: Drop me an email at d.rauer@kopano.com, or give me a call at +4951122001980
@sinux said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:
Maybe the new “owners” can fork grommunio ;)
There are no new owners. The owners of Kopano are still the same, the technicians at Kopano are still the same, it is simply the administration (sales, communication etc) that bytemine is taking care of currently.
Please stop spreading rumors.@tose said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:
Is anyone aware of what this means for the Kopano4UCS integration?
From a technical perspective the implementation is nearly done, and afterwards it needs to be tested thoroughly. I excpect it to be available soon.
Kind regards, Daniel
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Thx Daniel,
for the Information, the “new Owners” look of this ;) >"<
For us who test the communtiy packages the forum is the first source of information
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@drauer said in Kopano - Roadmap 2021:
From a technical perspective the implementation is nearly done, and afterwards it needs to be tested thoroughly. I excpect it to be available soon.
Kind regards, Daniel
I would be very interested in testing this with my UCS sandbox :)
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If you have the impression that Kopano is not communicating honestly I would be very interested in finding out where you got this impression. I am very open for talking directly to you: Drop me an email at d.rauer@kopano.com, or give me a call at +4951122001980
Thank you for the offer, but perhaps what is going on at kopano can be discussed openly?
For example:
- Why has kopano-core development completely (!) stopped 6 months ago?
- Why has there been no new major kopano release for paying customers in 3 years?
- Why the hostile reaction to your new competitor grommunio, formerly grammm? That sounded kind of desperate and was really did not leave kopano in a good light.
- What really lead to the loss of the Z-Push domain? Will further ActiveSync development be resumed at some point?
- What is the state of the PWA WebApp successor, if any?
There are no new owners. The owners of Kopano are still the same,
this is bad news, so I guess no consequences were drawn for the complete and utter strategic failure of the last years (stopping full Outlook support, removing any incentives to pay for Kopano except for support, the Kopano ONE desaster, lots of unimportant side projects, I could go on…) IMHO someone should have been fired (with a cannon, into the sun) for this. I don’t have any insights into the financial situation this has left Kopano in, but the lack of development and the rumors show that the mismanagement probably had consequences here too?
the technicians at Kopano are still the same, it is simply the administration (sales, communication etc) that bytemine is taking care of currently.
this is good news! They are
greatamazing.Please stop spreading rumors.
In the lack of real information, rumors flourish…
Perhaps my viewpoint is a bit to negative, doomsday-like perhaps, but I’ve been in the exact situation before, a slow and painful death of a software project/company, which lead me to migrate from Scalix to Kopano years ago.
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@gerald
+1
