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    • fbartels
      fbartels Kopano @AnotherAndy last edited by

      @anotherandy said in No config files created during install:

      You can find the files on github

      You don’t even have to go so far. They are all in /usr/share/doc/kopano/example-config

      Regards Felix

      Resources:
      https://kopano.com/blog/how-to-get-kopano/
      https://documentation.kopano.io/
      https://kb.kopano.io/

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      • jengelh
        jengelh Banned @AnotherAndy last edited by

        I think I read somewhere something which basically says: there are no config files any longer.

        Yes, https://jira.kopano.io/browse/KC-681

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        • ascendrix
          ascendrix last edited by

          I solved this by copying the required configuration templates from the following directory: /usr/share/doc/kopano/example-config as suggested by @fbartels. Some of the files could just be copied using cp and other were compressed, so I had to use the gunzip command like this:
          gunzip -c /usr/share/doc/kopano/example-config/server.cfg.gz | tee /etc/kopano/server.cfg

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          • TosoBoso
            TosoBoso last edited by

            Removing the config files as per Jira 681 (https://jira.kopano.io/browse/KC-681) was imho a very bad idea because:

            1. not only the conig files but alse the /etc/init.d service definitions are missing which leads to warnings / errors during debian package config (unknon service)
            2. in NOT all cases config files are found in /usr/share/doc/kopano/example-config: when using debian-slim which is common for small containers there is nothing so nothing con be copied over

            It took me by surprise as automated docker builds had been broken and was quite some effort to get this fixed in a generic way in docker builds for kopano4s for old supported and new community versions.
            To fix it I had to collect the cfg ad init.d files from previous supported build and inject it into the container build for community and future supported editions; what a unnecessary hack…
            I see no added value of this feature 681 whatsoever as config files are needed, it is the default debian build behaviour and it actually is outdated do in place patching what this Jira targets at protecting admins that are not experianced to deal with updates on the cost of others with autobuilds have to cater for the special features…
            -TosoBoso

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            • fbartels
              fbartels Kopano @TosoBoso last edited by

              @tosoboso said in No config files created during install:

              as config files are needed

              If you look closer you will realise they are actually not needed.

              If running in docker you should anyway not use the regular init (which is indeed deprecated in favour of systems) but rather use an “init” system designed for Docker, such as supervisord or https://github.com/krallin/tini/blob/master/README.md (there are plenty of other approaches as well).

              As for the config files doing a plain copy is not a good approach. Rather you should create config files with just the options you need (such as mysql credentials).

              And if you choose a minimal Debian image as a base, then you should not be surprised if stuff is missing afterwards…

              Regards Felix

              Resources:
              https://kopano.com/blog/how-to-get-kopano/
              https://documentation.kopano.io/
              https://kb.kopano.io/

              Support overview:
              https://kopano.com/support/

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              • TosoBoso
                TosoBoso last edited by

                Hi Felix,

                thx for input respectively regarding tini for init in Docker; I will consider integrating this…
                The key issue is not just with the config files but with the missing init files which is imho beyond the intention of the Jira KC-681.
                My concern is that any user on Debian / Ubuntu with a new install trying to start Kopano with “service kopano-server start” will fail. So please reconsider rolling out the files in /etc/init.d ! Missing config files
                To emphasis again the Debian configuration routines are throwing warnings because they do not find the service definition either; this cannot be for good and is very confusing for the Debian experts expecting a different bahaviour
                I can live with though I do not agree it is a good idea (better idiea only to rollout config on apt-get install but not upgrade…)
                As far as Docker is concerned I can and did my way around it and to clarify I’m not using the init stages of standard Unix but maintain an init.shs script which then start the services. And this is the point: without the files in init.d noone can control, the services.
                -TosoBoso

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                • fbartels
                  fbartels Kopano @TosoBoso last edited by

                  @tosoboso said in No config files created during install:

                  My concern is that any user on Debian / Ubuntu with a new install trying to start Kopano with “service kopano-server start” will fail. So please reconsider rolling out the files in /etc/init.d ! Missing config files
                  To emphasis again the Debian configuration routines are throwing warnings because they do not find the service definition either; this cannot be for good and is very confusing for the Debian experts expecting a different bahaviour

                  No such errors here:

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                  On a modern distribution running the service command will automatically use systemd anyways afaik.

                  Regards Felix

                  Resources:
                  https://kopano.com/blog/how-to-get-kopano/
                  https://documentation.kopano.io/
                  https://kb.kopano.io/

                  Support overview:
                  https://kopano.com/support/

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                  • klausf
                    klausf last edited by

                    I also vote that sysvinit files should continue to be delivered by the installer. Systemd service files are also delivered. I can still run a debian system with init as PID 1 (and the systems I maintain all run without systemd-sysv). Since kopano has no dependency on systemd-sysv, there would be no reason to deliver systemd service files. Another reason for keeping init files is that it makes no effort to keep them, because they never or hardly need to be changed. Thanks!

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                    • tjoen
                      tjoen last edited by

                      @klausf
                      Isn’t Systemd now the default in Debian? Is Debian providing their own SysVinit files for all their packages?

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                      • klausf
                        klausf @tjoen last edited by

                        @tjoen
                        systemd-sysv is the default in a recent debian installation, that’s right. But by default, sysvinit scripts are also installed for each package from the Debian repositories.
                        apt-get install sysvinit-core installs init (and some more) and uninstalls systemd-sysv and the system then runs with the init.d start/stop scripts.

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                        • tjoen
                          tjoen @klausf last edited by

                          @klausf
                          I understand. But by doing “apt-get install sysvinit-core” you have not the default Debian any longer. More work for packagers. Kopano also doesn’t have packages for my LFS-system

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                            klausf @tjoen last edited by

                            @tjoen

                            • The work has already been done, the init scripts already exist.
                            • There are no changes, so no effort for the package maintainers to expect when the init scripts are preserved.
                            • It enhances Kopano if it supports multiple init systems

                            Therefore I support the receipt of init scripts.

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                            • tjoen
                              tjoen @klausf last edited by

                              @klausf
                              It is true that LSB never mentions systemd, only init scripts. But in earlier versions of LSB only rpm, not deb, were LSB compliant

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                              • jengelh
                                jengelh Banned last edited by

                                @klausf said in No config files created during install:

                                I also vote that sysvinit files should continue to be delivered by the installer.

                                This is not a ballot. It has been decided that KC as provided by upstream only supports systemd (and RHEL6 sysvinit). It was a dreadful experience changing and re-testing init scripts (one for each distro because they couldn’t agree on a mechanism prior to systemd). Deal With It

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                                • klausf
                                  klausf @jengelh last edited by

                                  @jengelh
                                  No vote, but my opinion and a request. It makes no sense to remove existing and working scripts which, as you say, have used a lot of work.
                                  At least they could be included in the sample files at /usr/share/doc/…

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                                  • TosoBoso
                                    TosoBoso last edited by

                                    Well as Kopano4S (Synology) is based on Docker to use Debian images and init.d, so the consequences of Kopano to switch to systemd exclusively no longer shipping init scripts has significant impact. If you Google “systemd in docker container” you wil find out that this is far away from trivial task. I had Zarafa / Kopano in Docker Container running happily since 2016 shipped to a large community of Synology users. Now this is no longer shipped I have to use workarounds (currently use init files from 8.5 builds) . Please take this as feedback and xonside shipping init files at least to /usr/share/doc/…
                                    -TosoBoso

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